We are looking at spray foam and whether we will be able to use it without an ignition barrier in crawlspaces or attics. The initial opinion is not unless it meets ASTM E 84 with less than 25 flame spread and 450 smoke density. Meaning, only fire retardent foams will be permitted unless you want to spend the money on ignition barriers. Have you had any code enforcement officials enforcing this yet? How are you dealing with this issue? Do you use any foam on ductwork in unconditioned spaces.

Views: 684

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

I would recommend you check this post/blog out http://homeenergypros.lbl.gov/profiles/blogs/codes-ignition-barrier... to get a better handle on the who, what, when, options, etc...

With that said, I don't know of any in my area that check much less enforce it 

Thanks for the links. It appears that they come to the same conclusion. We are in SW VA and here several inspections departments are enforcing this code.

I do not have a full cavity foaming rig, but when I do I sub the work out to a subcontractor.  He carries a full cavity open cell spray foam product that is fire rated and does not need to have an ignition barrier on it.  The product is Gaco Firestop I can not say that i am an expert in it but i have used it a few times in areas where the homeowner was not interested in dry walling and finishing the space.  It cost a little more than common open celled spray foams but the lack of need to spend days on the site easily makes up for that.

Watch out for thermal barrier requirements in addition to your ignition barrier concerns. If a crawlspace is open or has access to a basement their may be code enforcement issues with some crawlspaces. To deal with this the choice is to not use foam or make sure there is a thermal barrier seperating the basement and crawlspace. Some foam does get used on ductwork but it must be the fire rated formula. The fire rated stuff looks identical to the standard foam most use. You would need to get your hands on the technical data sheet (easy to find online). Similar foam but slightly different density, R value and cost. Hope that helps you.

When we use this product we place a laminated technical data sheet in the given area and give the home owner a copy to keep with their receipt to show any one that may ask what the product is and that it does not need to be covered with a fire barrier.  It can be deceptive and when with out the data sheets there would be no way to know that the foam is fire rated.

Cory is right, watch out for thermal barrier requirements as well.  In it's simplest form if you can walk up to it on any given day it will require a thermal barrier.  if it is harder to get to you will need an ignition barrier.  The FS /SD numbers from the E-85 teat are not enough.  Foam plastic has it's own section in the IRC.

Thanks. The foam plastic section of the IRC 2009 code has specific exemptions for attics and crawlspaces that allows the ASTM E-85 qualified foams to be sprayed without a thermal or ignition barrier, as long as the spaces are not accessed for any reason other than equipment maintenance and they require an access point by IRC code.

HOWEVER...It really all comes down to the individual inspectors interpretation. This is how our local inspectors are interpreting it in one county but not in the next one over, so to be safe most contractors are spraying an ignition barrier on all spray foam products now, which continues to drive up the cost of the quality contractors work

I do like the thermal barrier qualifier you noted, that really simplifies it when you are teaching this section. If you can walk up to it, then yes to the thermal barrier. Thanks!

Caleb,

The E-84 only test has was removed from the IRC between the 2003 & 2006 code cycle.  The exceptions you are speaking of are for THERMAL barriers not ignition!  You need an ignition barrier unless the specific foam you are using has passed either the NFPA 286, FM 4880, UL 1040, UL 723 or UL 1715 test.  NOT E-84.  This test (corner crib) has been modified in AC 377 for ignition barrier only.    Other than passing one of these tests the foam must be covered by at minimum a ignition barrier.  Please read IRC 2009 R316.5.3 & R316316.5.4  Both section require attics or crawl spaces with limited access to be protected by an ignition barrier.

The only true exception is for sill plates and headers IRC R316.5.11

I do not see how this could be "interpreted" any other way that written.

RSS

Home Energy Pros

Home Energy Pros was founded by the developers of Home Energy Saver Pro (sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy,) and brought to you in partnership with Home Energy magazine.

Latest Activity

Mike Hartnett posted a discussion

cooling vests

Does anyone use cooling vests for attic work in the summer?  If so any suggestions?See More
49 minutes ago
John Nicholas commented on Home Energy Magazine's blog post Revisiting Electrification
"Electrification for heating is bad.   Nope! Electric Resistance heating is not efficient.…"
2 hours ago
Bryan Pringle replied to Bryan Pringle's discussion Dense packed cellulose in basement?
"Funny you mention his name. I have not run this exact plan by him, but I had the opportunity to…"
2 hours ago
norman farwell replied to Bryan Pringle's discussion Dense packed cellulose in basement?
"Bryan, you might try Bill Hulstrunk at National Fiber.   I bounced this scheme off of him some…"
2 hours ago
norman farwell replied to Bryan Pringle's discussion Dense packed cellulose in basement?
"Robert, The history of building materials in this country should make us all cautious about the…"
3 hours ago
David Eakin commented on Home Energy Magazine's blog post Revisiting Electrification
"Alan, it's not the source of the energy that's important - it's the amount of energy…"
5 hours ago
Brennan Less commented on Home Energy Magazine's blog post Revisiting Electrification
"In case this is useful for anyone, I have calculated the 2010 carbon emissions per unit of…"
6 hours ago
Mike Kandel added a discussion to the group Building Performance Institute (BPI)
Thumbnail

BPI Announces Tony Woods Award Recipient and Hall of Fame Inductees

BPI is proud to announce that Peter Troast of Energy Circle Pro has been awarded the 2015 Tony…See More
7 hours ago

© 2015   Created by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service