When you can cite for me where my origin of debt to you resides, I will gladly and freely give up my own hard-earned income to pay for your air sealing, insulation, etc. Until then, prop yourself up like any other business owner does (if you are one...I don't know). It is not my job, nor the governments to prop up ANY industry, regardless of what you deem to be important or valuable.
Funny how you, in one breath, tell us to "stay the hell out your way", but yet you need my money to help you feel sustained? That defies logical reasoning at the highest of levels. It is akin to an abortion advocate telling someone to keep off of their uterus or out of their bedroom...but wanting the government to pay for abortion services or birth control.
As for what you deem a "bridge fuel"...I am an all of the above kind of guy. I see the value in wind power, solar, wave power, natural gas, etc. and feel they all should be utilized to their full strength and value to the market. But it is purely ridiculous to say or infer that we should just shut off the spicket for oil until these other resources are fully capable of sustaining us a country. What do you propose we do in the meantime for the next,,,ummm,, 20-30 years? Just die by vine, so you can feel like you are being supported by those that came before you?
There are reasons why these other innovations have fallen on their face in recent years...they are too expensive and they have enormous payback periods. Wind power can only be used in certain regions of the country efficiently, solar panels are expensive as all get out, which is why we have to rely on the Chinese to build them (see Solyndra). Natural gas is a fantastic resource that we should be going after diligently...BUT NO...environmentalists have to step in to put their foot down on its exploration and refining capabilities which raises the price due to the compliance costs caused by additional regulation.
Wow. This is an interesting discussion, for a technical forum. Calling incentives "socialist" is pretty weak. Even if there were such a thing as a free market, it would operate only as well as its incentives programs worked. Incentives allow us to hasten shifts in the markets. They act as trim-tabs, using small relative amounts of money and other resources to make large course adjustments. You may think of them as evil but they are intrinsic to this economy and every other, and not going away. The largest incentive programs in our economy are those managed by the IRS, of course, steering dollars to places that do the most good for the "public." - including collecting no taxes from the major oil companies.
Utility incentives are simply demand-side operating costs and have been inadequate by billions of total dollars in the 37 years I have been doing business with them and their customers.
Insulation ends up being the concept of the absolute least interest to the American people, yet the most important concept of the hundred years we are in the middle of. No illusionary free market will deal with that. The Army could, but that would probably seem like "the man" stepping on the toes of the energy "freedom fighters."
Ask not if rebate programs help or hurt, ask how we have to change them so they speed up the retrofit of the 50 million houses still left on the list. Technically, we need more and larger...
It sounds like we agree, incentives distort markets("hasten shifts").
Don't you think, after all this time, the HP guys could grow up and act like real businesses?
Do you feel HP folks deserve welfare and charity? Has the welfare system been helpful or incapacitating?
Calling the HP "industry" socialistic is not name calling but simply correctly identifying the structure of the process. It is however a very inefficient way to allocate resources and this can be seen over and over in the programs you promote. But, It is what it is.
Well, Tom...What do you call taking the fruits of one man's labor and giving it to another under the guise of making things equal or "fair". If you need a copy of the Communist Manifesto, I can surely mail one out to you.
You telling us you disagree doesn't muster here. Break the argument and tell us how these programs are NOT socialist in nature.
You know, I am really looking forward to the day when all of this federal money dries up, because it will be those like Linda and myself, who have acted purely as independent entrepreneurs through this whole process, who will be the only ones left standing. Gotta love less competition!!!